- The problem
- Kingmor Supply, Inc. (Kingmor) is recalling certain model year 2005-2017 IC CE school buses manufactured September 1, 2005, to May 1, 2017, and modified to be equipped with certain model S2005, S2010, S5005, S5010, S5505, and S5510 wheelchair lifts built by the Ricon Corporation. The affected lifts are equipped with folding link arms that may have pivot holes that are too big, allowing the bearings to move out of position.
- The risk
- If the bearings move out of position, the stowed platform may have excessive movement resulting in failure of the platform mounting. This failure could cause the wheel chair lift platform to fall out of the vehicle when the doors are opened, increasing the risk of injury for the lift operator.
- The fix
- Kingmor will notify owners, and Ricon dealers will inspect the link arms for damage or for displaced bearings. The platform will be inspected for cracks. Any damaged parts will be replaced, free of charge. The recall began on December 18, 2015. Owners may contact Kingmor customer service at 1-800-782-4474, or Ricon Customer Service at 1-800-322-2884. Note: These buses and wheelchair lifts were subject to a similar recall in 2014. All vehicles that received that recall remedy are still affected by this recall as well.
Vehicle safety record
2005 IC CE Problems, complaints & recalls
Owners have filed 5 complaints about the 2005 IC CE with NHTSA, most often about the body, doors & structure (2) and the brakes (1). It is covered by 16 recalls, the latest in November 2015 for the equipment adaptive / mobility. For comparison, the 2004 has 1 and the 2006 has 11.
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FFar more problems than a typical CE year, for its age
#259 most complained-about 2005 vehicle
- Complaints
- 5
- Recalls
- 16
- Crashes
- 0
- Fires
- 0
- Injuries
- 0
- Deaths
- 0
Most common 2005 IC CE problems
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2005 IC CE recalls 16
Recall repairs are free. Your dealer fixes them whether or not you bought the car there - check your VIN at nhtsa.gov/recalls to see if yours is done. What to do
- The problem
- Navistar is recalling certain model year 2003 through 2010 international trucks and ic commercial buses manufactured from december 4, 2001 through december 14, 2009 equipped with international vt365 engines having engine calibration pan2pvr0, pan2pvr1, or pan2pwr. The engine normally responds to a failed open accelerator position sensor circuit fault by returning the engine to low idle speed of 800 rpm and disabling the driver's ability to increase the engine speed. However if the open circuit corrects itself within 30 seconds of initiation, engine speed could suddenly increase to a high idle speed of 1200 rpm.
- The risk
- This increase to high idle speed may occur without warning causing a sudden and unexpected shift in vehicle position possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
- The fix
- Navistar will notify owners and dealers will repair the vehicles free of charge. The safety recall began on july 1, 2010. Owners may contact navistar at 1-800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Navistar has notified nhtsa about a defect in certain model year 2010 and 2011 ic ce, be, and fe school buses manufactured from november 19, 2003 through february 9, 2010. The parking brake may release if the brake system electronic control unit software misinterprets input signals generated from cycling the ignition switch more than once at a specific frequency.
- The risk
- Release of the parking brake may cause sudden, unexpected shift in vehicle position possibly resulting in property damage, personal damage, or death.
- The fix
- Navistar will notify owners and will repair the buses by reprogramming the vehicle's brake system ecu free of charge. The safety recall began on april 2, 2010. Owners may contact navistar at 1-260-461-1890.
- The problem
- Navistar is recalling 61,316 my 2001 through 2009 ic be, ce, and fe model commercial and school buses manufactured between february 2, 2000 and june 2, 2008, equipped with an entrance door stepwell heater feature code 0048pms or 0548001 and/or a rear wall mounted heater feature code 0048tar or 0048psx. The affected heater units may fail in low speed operation causing elevated temperatures.
- The risk
- Elevated temperatures can result in a fire, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
- The fix
- An interim letter was mailed on february 20, 2009, to communicate the defect and recommend action to mitigate the risk until the final remedy and customer notification could be provided at a later date. The manufacture filed an amended defect report dated march 27, 2009 advising that a final remedy has been developed and parts are being manufactured. The safety recall began on june 2, 2009. Owners may contact navistar toll-free at 1-800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Navistar is recalling 24,975 my 2003 through 2008 ic be, ce, hc, and re school and commercial buses and 2002 through 2008 international 3200 and 3300 model buses manufactured between september 21, 2001 through december 14, 2007, equipped with international vt365 engines. These vehicles may exhibit engine hard start, no start, or stall conditions due to possibly damaged terminals in the fuse holder connector of the injector drive module (idm) clean battery power circuits. The terminals may have been damaged during electrical continuity testing in the manufacturing process.
- The risk
- These conditions could result in a vehicle crash, possibly resulting in personal injury.
- The fix
- Navistar will notify owners and replace the idm fuse holder free of charge. The recall began on october 3, 2008. Owners can contact navistar toll-free at 1-800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Navistar is recalling 51,588 heavy trucks, commercial buses and school buses manufactured between november 21, 2000 and may 21, 2008, equipped with one or more remote power modules. The potting material that encapsulates the circuit board of the vehicle's remote power module may not sufficiently seal the circuit board from water and contamination intrusion. If the encapsulation is compromised, water and contaminants may cause an internal electrical short, possibly resulting in a fire.
- The risk
- A FIRE COULD CAUSE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH.
- The fix
- Navistar will notify owners and repair the vehicles free of charge. The recall began on july 10, 2008. Owners may contact navistar at 1-280-461-1890.
- The problem
- Certain my 2004 through 2007 ce and be school buses and 1300 and 3300 model vehicle chassis manufactured by ic corporation between march 17, 2004, and may 15, 2006. The park brake system may activate while the vehicle is under normal operation. Although the vehicle is brought to a stop, the activation may occur without warning or input from the driver and may strand the vehicle in an active lane. The spring applied, hydraulic release (sahr) park brake actuator could experience a hydraulic lock condition that will not allow the park brake to apply.
- The risk
- Should the park brake activate and strand the vehicle, it may contribute to a vehicle crash, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death. Should the park brake not apply, a vehicle roll away can occur and may result in a crash, possibly resulting in property damage, personal injury, or death.
- The fix
- Dealers will repair the buses free of charge. The recall began july 7, 2006. Owners may contact ic corporation at 800-322-2884 or owners may contact international at 1-800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Certain 2005-2007 ce and my 2007 be school and transit buses manufactured between february 10, 2004, and december 15, 2005. Passenger coat strings or carry on items can get caught between the door control bracket and the door control arm as the passenger exits the bus.
- The risk
- If the driver is unaware of the situation, the entrance door may be closed, capturing the item in the door. Death or injury could occur to the person exiting the bus.
- The fix
- Ic will notify its owners and repair all the buses free of charge. The recall began march 2, 2006. Customers may contact international at 800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Certain 2004-2006 my ic corporation ce, fe, and re school buses manufactured from may 12, 2003, through march 2, 2005, equipped with child restraint anchorage systems. The diameter latch attachment bars exceed the diameter requirements of federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 225, Child restraint anchorage systems, which may make it difficult to use with future car seat attachments. In addition, some of the latch attachments are located too far forward of the seat back.
- The risk
- Not attaching the child seat properly may result in personal injury or death in the event of a vehicle crash. Also, the inappropriate placement of the brackets may result in personal injury to a passenger not seated in a car seat.
- The fix
- Ic corporation will notify its customers and (1) the brackets will be removed and replaced by a special belt system and (2) the seat frame will be replaced by a frame with a new seat attachment bracket. These repairs will be performed free of charge. The recall began on august 19, 2005. Owners may contact international at 260-461-1924.
- The problem
- Certain 2003-2006 my ic ce, fe, and re school buses and re commercial buses manufactured between february 4, 2003, and march 1, 2005, and equipped with webasto coolant heaters. The stainless steel walls of the burner tubes incorporated into webasto coolant heaters may be made of a material that is not within specification and may fail prematurely.
- The risk
- Should the burner tube fail, the coolant heater could overheat, possibly resulting in a fire.
- The fix
- Ic will notify its owners and replace the burner tubes free of charge. The recall began on april 20, 2005. Owners may contact international at 260-461-1924.
- The problem
- Certain ic ce 2005 school buses manufactured between april 27 and october 13, 2004. The locknut that secures the hydraulic brake pivot bolt may not be torqued properly.
- The risk
- The brake pedal may separate from the pivot bracket. This could prevent brake application.
- The fix
- Ic corporation will notify its customers and will inspect the locknut, replace if necessary and torque properly free of charge. The recall began on april 1, 2005. Owners may contact ic at 1-800-448-7825.
- The problem
- Certain 1998, 2000-2005 my ce, fe, and re school buses built with one or more ce white 30-inch child restraint seats and manufactured between march 25, 1998 and august 24, 2004. The seat cushion retention may not retain the seat in all circumstances.
- The risk
- In the event of a sudden stop, the seat cushion may tip forward and may become unattached causing the passenger to slide off the seat and/or be trapped by the seat cushion. This action could possibly result in personal injury or death.
- The fix
- Ic corp will notify its customers and will repair the cushion by adding a clip to the cushion tying it to the seat frame. The recall began on october 5, 2004. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact ic compliance department at 1-800-843-5615.
- The problem
- Certain my 2001-2005 amtran/ic corporation ce, fe, and re school buses equipped with sure-lok wheelchair tie-down securement assemblies p/n 8625-13. The sprocket teeth of the retractor assembly may be out of alignment causing the load pawl not to fully seat in the sprocket teeth.
- The risk
- In the event of a vehicle crash, the wheelchair may not be adequately secured possibly resulting in injuries.
- The fix
- Sure-lok will notify ic's customers and repair the buses on ic's behalf at no cost to the customer. The recall began august 16, 2004. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact sure-lok at 1-908-231-1804.
- The problem
- Certain sure-lok wheelchair tie-down securement assemblies p/n 8625-13 for use on certain school and transit buses. The sprocket teeth of the retractor assembly may be out of alignment causing the load pawl not to fully seat in the sprocket teeth.
- The risk
- In the event of a vehicle crash, the wheelchair may not be adequately secured possibly resulting in injuries to the seat occupant and/or other passengers.
- The fix
- Sure-lok will notify its customers and replace the defective part free of charge. The recall began august 16, 2004. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact sure-lok customer service at 866-787-3565.
- The problem
- On certain school buses built with vandale lock systems, the system does not provide an audio sound to warn the driver that the emergency door is locked while the vehicle is in operation.
- The risk
- If the emergency door is locked and the bus is involved in a crash or emergency situation, bus occupants may not be able to escape from the bus in a timely manner or even at all. This could possibly result in serious injury to the occupants.
- The fix
- Ic will notify its customers and will repair the alarm by adding a wire to the current system free of charge. The recall began on august 23, 2004. Owners should contact ic at 1-800-843-5615.
- The problem
- Ce model school buses which fail to comply to federal motor vehicle safety standard no. 221, School bus body joint strength. The roof top sheet may be improperly located, reducing the material edge distance at the rivet line.
- The risk
- In the event of a vehicle crash, the joint strenght could fail possibily resulting in injuries to the vehicle occupants.
- The fix
- Ic will notify its customers and will provide inspection and repair instruction. The recall began on january 25, 2005. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact ic customer service at (we do not yet have a telephone number for this campaign.)
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5 complaints about the 2005 IC CE
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Floor sills cracked at body tie downs, tie downs hold body on to chassis frame. *Tr
Floor sills cracked at body tie downs, tie downs hold body to chassis frame. *Tr
2005 International school bus ,4400 miles ,turbo failure, replaced turbo actuator, dealership said corrosion was the cause. *Jb
1. When the outside temperature gets below 20 degrees 2. Stop arm malfunction on bus means putting children in danger 3. Buses will be put out of service. *Jb
12/21/04 Emergency brake would not release. 12/30/04 Bus towed to nutmeg international to be fixed 1/31/05 buss fixed/ replaced computer part in system returned to service 2/10/05 brake service light came on and then off/ called dattco inc. They told us to check fluids and look for fluid leaks. There were none light went off. 3/9/05 Emergency brake would not release at park out. Brake eventually released 3/11/05 bus was sent to dattco inc. In ct for repair 5/5/05 bus returned to me. Dattco replaced full...
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wiring harness in bus 6/10/05 emergency brake locked up while bus was on route with school children doing 30 mph wit no warning. Luckily no one was hurt. My mechanic and myself managed to limp bus back to garage were we called dattco inc. 6/13/05 Bus towed to dattco inc. In ct 7/5/05 bus returned to us. Dattco replaced more computer parts 7/29/05 emergency brake locked up doing between 25-30 mph with students on board again with out any warning nearly avoiding a major collision as there are no brake lights that come on. Luckily again no one was hurt. 8/1/05 Bus towed to dattco inc. In ct I think that all incidents are related and as you can see this is a very serious safety issue and I am hearing that this is not the only bus they are having issues with this new emergency brake system. *Nm
IC CE: every year compared
All CE years2005 IC CE vs rivals
| Vehicle | Complaints | Recalls | Grade | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2005 IC CE | 5 | 16 | F | |
| 2005 IC FE | 1 | 5 | F | Compare |
| 2005 IC 3000 | 1 | 0 | F | Compare |
More sales usually means more complaints, so compare similar vehicles of the same year. The grade compares each vehicle with its own model's other years.
Questions about the 2005 IC CE
Does the 2005 IC CE have any recalls?
Yes - NHTSA lists 16 recalls for the 2005 IC CE: equipment adaptive / mobility (November 2015); vehicle speed control (June 2010); service brakes, hydraulic (March 2010); electrical (February 2009) and more. Recall repairs are free at any authorized dealer. Enter your VIN at nhtsa.gov/recalls to see whether yours has been fixed.
What are the most common problems with the 2005 IC CE?
By the complaints owners filed with NHTSA, the most common problem areas are the body, doors & structure (2), brakes (1), engine & cooling (1).
How many complaints has the 2005 IC CE had?
5 complaints have been filed with NHTSA, the first on August 2, 2005 and the latest on April 1, 2014. Of these, 0 describe a crash and 0 a fire, and together they report 0 injuries and 0 deaths.
Is the 2005 IC CE a reliable vehicle?
Its Safety Index is 4 out of 100 (grade F: far more problems than a typical IC CE year, for its age). The index weighs complaints, crashes, fires, injuries, deaths and recalls against how long the vehicle has been on the road, compared with the same model's other years. It is not a measure of every repair - read the complaints and owner experiences, and have any used vehicle inspected before you buy.
Which IC CE years have the most complaints?
2006 (11), 2005 (5), 2004 (1). See every IC CE year compared.
What should I do if my 2005 IC CE has a problem?
If it is a safety problem, stop driving it if it is unsafe and contact your dealer. Report it to NHTSA at nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem - enough reports start investigations and recalls - and share your experience here so other owners know what to look for.
Source: U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) complaints and recalls, checked . Complaints are owners' own reports and are not verified. How we use the data